15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
I think there's something in current legislation on that, is there?
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Sorry, yes, Darren.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Other than to say that there should be a mechanism, either in legislation or in Standing Orders, that ensures that not all of those elected are from an executive, which could be a large coalition, remember, compared to a non-executive. Okay. I think we'll…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Right. And what was my proposal on that?
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
I think we'll bring all of this back. This is just a new twist on it, which is not the wrong thing to do, but it's just—. So, we'll explore these options and we'll bring some proposals back to you. Just the one other issue that remains, then, is that we, via…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Iawn. Ocê. Lesley.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
David.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Reit, yn iawn. Os gallwn ni jest cloriannu hyn gyda'n bod ni'n cytuno ein bod ni'n edrych ar swyddogion i ailosod yr enw i 'Speaker', 'Deputy Speaker', 'Llywydd', 'Dirprwy Lywydd', ond ein bod ni hefyd yn edrych ar, o bosib, y defnydd o'r term yn y Gymraeg yn…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Okay. Fine.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
So, what that means is that we would create this bit of the legislation by reference to 'Llywydd' and 'Dirprwy Lywydd', or two 'Dirprwy Lywydds', but we would also need to replicate that with a term in English.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Yes. But there will be a Welsh version of this legislation.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Yes? Is that okay?
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Mae'n siŵr y byddai'n rhaid newid i fersiwn Gymraeg, achos 'Presiding Officer' yw'r term ar hyn o bryd yn y ddeddfwriaeth, felly byddai'n rhaid gwneud newid—p'un ai ydy'r newid yna i 'Llywydd' yn y Gymraeg ac yn y Saesneg neu a ydy'r newid yna i 'Llywydd' a…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Okay. So, a maximum of two. And then, just on the name, I end up, obviously, calling myself Llywydd, and that's the term I use. But, for people from outside of Wales primarily, that's unfamiliar to them, so I call myself a Presiding Officer. And then, all of…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Do we think that we're getting to a consensus with a maximum of two? But then, obviously, it will be for the next Senedd to decide on that. And, this is always, of course, subject to a vote. The Standing Orders would reflect the need to vote two Deputy…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Okay. That's good. Anything else? What's proposed there is slightly different to what was said by Labour, and probably Plaid Cymru, but possibly achieves the same thing, which is you set a maximum of two deputy speakers. The politics of the time, possibly…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Okay, let's do the numbers first then. Darren, do you have a view on this?
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Yes. I can see that there's a logic to 12 being a minimum, because it is the current Government, but I don't know why we would want to introduce a minimum that is higher than 12 in the legislation. A Government could bring forward a Government that is between…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
The other option that could be available to us is to have a maximum that is somewhere towards the middle of this, of 16, say, which is the Labour group proposal in the written form, but with a possibility of a two-thirds vote, a supermajority vote, up to 19…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
I'm putting officials on the spot there, but it's certainly something we can look at in terms of a minimum number.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Can I just be clear, then, why there should be a minimum? I'm not quite understanding the concept of why a minimum is necessary.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Okay. Fine. I think we've rehearsed all the issues. I think there's an agreement that there should be an upper limit in the legislation. There is some disagreement as to whether there should be a minimum and what that minimum should be, so we need to further…
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Lesley.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Mae'n cynyddu'r absolute numbers, ond dyw e ddim yn cynyddu'r percentage, nac ydy? Darren.
15 Tachwedd 2022 , Business Committee
Diwygio'r Senedd
Ydy, ond dyw e ddim yn cynyddu'r ratio o sgrwtini versus Llywodraeth, nac ydy? Mae'n cadw'r ratio yr un peth.
