, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Federation of Small Businesses
Yes. I understand that point, and the point has been made clearly. Thank you. So, just finally from myself, unless somebody else wants to come in on something different, what more needs to be done now if we want to move to a genuinely circular economy by…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Federation of Small Businesses
Okay, thank you for that. I think the message is clear, but just to add, perhaps, I think the point that you made was that the risk in moving forward as four nations is that we can only move as quickly as the weakest partner will allow us to. Is that the risk?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Federation of Small Businesses
Yes, okay. Thank you very much. I’ll ask one or two questions, if I may. We’ve already touched on the four countries in the UK working together, sharing good practice et cetera. You touched briefly on what you suggested was the advantage of making policies…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Federation of Small Businesses
Great, diolch yn fawr. Okay, Joyce.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Federation of Small Businesses
Good idea, yes.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Federation of Small Businesses
Diolch yn fawr iawn. Carolyn.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Federation of Small Businesses
Welcome back to the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee. We're going to hear now, in our fourth evidence session and the final session for today, from a representative from the Federation of Small Businesses Wales, and I welcome Llŷr ap…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Well, on that positive note, can I thank you both for again imparting your evidence with us? It's really valuable and we really appreciate the time that you give this committee—plenty for us to mull over there, so diolch yn fawr iawn. Thank you. Committee…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Oh, yes, I remember. I remember.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Excellent.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
You spoke about the culture change and education in everything—maybe that's it; more on that front, I don't know.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
You may well have started answering what was going to be my final question, really. So, I'll make you First Minister, and I'll make you climate change Secretary, what else needs to happen now for us to truly transition to a circular economy by 2050? What are…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
But is it not regrettable that all of that is holding us back, because, you know, we take great pride in being ahead of the curve here and we're now moving towards the lowest-common-denominator approach?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Okay, that's interesting, yes, thank you. Just a couple from me, then: a deposit-return scheme, of course, has been delayed now in Wales, hasn't it? Any reflections on what impact that might have on your work?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Sure.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
There we are. Okay. Thank you. We'll come back to Janet then.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Briefly, then, Joyce.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
But there are some practical issues, not dissimilar, in terms of shared accommodation for offices and that kind of thing. I know of others who say, 'Well, I'm not going to do this, because I know if I put my bin outside, then the others will just probably use…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Thank you.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
The former Minister, who used to appear before us regularly, always used to remind us that, 'Do the right thing' has to be the easy thing, because, otherwise, a lot of people will do it.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Okay. There we are, lovely. Thank you very much. Carolyn.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
I don’t want to labour this point, because there are other things that we want to cover, but where do you come together, then? Is it just off an ad hoc voluntary basis, or are there fora where you sit down together and discuss these things?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Yes. That's why I'm asking.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Before you come in on that, I think that's an important—. The whole nappy issue is one of educating people and we heard it from local government earlier as well. What role do you have as a sector in helping with that education? Because the risk is that we…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Inquiry on waste - evidence session with the Chartered Institution of Wastes Management
Janet wants to come back in.
