, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Fine, although it is our experience as Members that good practice doesn't travel easily—this is across all public services. So, I think, just looking at how we're going to strengthen the governance of these bodies, you've suggested that it might lead to a…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Okay. Thanks very much. We will be taking evidence at a later date from the Welsh audit office, so we will be able to ascertain just how in-depth their reviews are of the efficiency and effectiveness of the services. I am interested in the role played by the…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Sorry, could you repeat that, Joel, because I—
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Thank you, Ken. Fine. We'll move on now to Joel James.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Fine. Ken Skates, did you have any further questions?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
And Jane Dodds, you wanted to come in.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Thank you. Can we move on now to bring in Ken Skates? I can't see him on my screen at the moment. There you are.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Thank you. Jane Dodds.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Okay. Can I just clarify: did you have discussions about the culture within the Welsh fire services prior to the ITV programme and the cultural review?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Who'd like to go first?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Thank you. Moving on, Sioned Williams.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 3
Welcome back to the Equality and Social Justice Committee. We're going to continue with our fourth session of our governance of fire and rescue services investigation. I'm very pleased to welcome Tristan Ashby, chief executive officer of the Fire and Rescue…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Thank you very much indeed, and thank you very much for your presence today and for your evidence. We'll send you a transcript, and please do make sure that we've captured your information correctly. Thank you very much for your time today. The committee will…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
We'd be pleased to receive some written evidence from the forum, if you so wish. Could I also ask that you take back to your organisation a little bit of the history, which I appreciate you don't feel able to respond to, because presumably you weren't in post…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Okay. So, I presume you have discussions with your opposite numbers in north Wales fire and rescue services, as well as mid and west Wales. So, I just wondered what further actions, if any, you'd like to see the Welsh Government take, either in relation to…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Thank you. The Deputy Minister has said the commissioners will remain until the work is finished in the south Wales fire and rescue area. What, in your view, does a finished job look like?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Clearly, very large organisations and a very important role to play in public services in Wales, but, in the fire and rescue services, you're probably a minority representation compared with, I would imagine, the FBU. So, how much collaboration is there…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Okay, you are representing local authority members. Okay, sorry. I won't pursue that. I'll rephrase the question, then. We heard from the FBU that they've got a policy 'all different, all equal', which obviously is endeavouring to deal with the significant…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Having listened to the evidence from you and also from your counterparts in the FBU this afternoon, I would have thought simply rectifying, obviously, the very disturbing issues raised in the culture review and enabling staff to have confidence that if they…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Thank you. Thank you very much for your remarks so far. I have a couple of things. Obviously, you're a very large trade union and you cover most of the public sector in Wales, so I'm keen to just follow up a little bit on the potential future relationship…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Thank you. Joel James.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
I think we're all having problems with the sound. Ken, could you repeat yourself, please?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Thank you. Ken Skates.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Thank you. Jane Dodds.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 2
Okay, briefly.
