, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Papers to note
We've now got papers to note. We've got five pieces of correspondence to note. Are Members content to note them, or is anybody wishing to raise something on that point? I can't see anybody.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Excellent. We will, of course, send you a transcript for you to correct if we've managed to record you wrong. Thank you very much indeed for your time.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Great. Thank you very much, both of you, for your attendance, and for your officials as well. We will write to you about some detail on the type of help that's being provided by the new Nest scheme, because we obviously didn't have time for that. And we'll…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Okay, very lastly, Jane Dodds. A quick question.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Yes. Excellent. Sioned Williams.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Okay. Sioned.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Okay. So, I’ll come to Sioned Williams in a moment, but while we’re sticking with joined-up policy, there was a very interesting statement from the Minister for Mental Health and Well-being on 2 December, which highlighted the work being done by Cwm Taf…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Thank you. Can I move over to Jane Dodds now?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Go ahead.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
We'll move on now to Mick Antoniw, which may help elucidate this further.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Thank you. Sioned wants to come in and then I'll move over to Mick Antoniw.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Okay. Just to follow up, the consultation that you're launching next month, will that be around the distance of the heat pumps from the next door neighbour, or will it be changing the process by which people can install them? I appreciate it's a consultation…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Thank you. Over to Julie Morgan.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Okay. So, just picking up on Altaf's second question, when do you think part 2 of the Warm Homes programme is likely to commence?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
So, you're arguing that the process of what we've done with 1,500 households is going to be applicable to whether or not we have a new area-based scheme. I'm struggling to understand that.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Could I just ask Jayne Bryant why is it not possible to run those two concepts concurrently? Why is it not possible for one lot of people to review the current Nest scheme and another to make progress on developing new area-based schemes, like for blocks of…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Thank you for that clarification. Altaf Hussain.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
I’ll just bring in Sioned Williams, before I go back to Altaf.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Altaf, I'm just going to bring in Jane Dodds and I'll come back to you.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Thank you. Back to Altaf.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Absolutely. So, we're going to reach those targets we set ourselves in 2035.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Altaf, if I can just come in, do you recognise, though, what the Bevan Foundation is saying—that it's going to be 2160, 125 years hence, before we actually get on top of this problem? Do you agree that that is just far too slow?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Okay, Sioned? Excellent. Altaf Hussain.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Okay. I'll pass over to Sioned Williams at this point and maybe come back to this.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session with Cabinet Secretaries
Okay. So, I wonder if I could just ask Jayne Bryant how you're going to reach the target the Government's set itself for 2035, whereby no more than 5 per cent of households are living in fuel poverty, when we're told, by the experts, that it's 45 per cent of…
