16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
It was a musical interlude, anyway.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Andrew, I think you need to go on mute. [Laughter.]
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Thank you. Peter.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
I'm assuming that, as part of the scrutiny process then, the consequences would be part of what we would be looking at before we approved those regulations, and that would be something that this committee would be involved with.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Not the changes, as such, but, if there was a case where you'd made a mistake or a tax had been changed and then you had to roll it back, have you given any thought to how much that would affect—? Because the taxpayer wouldn't be penalised. They'd get their…
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Have you quantified any of that? Have you thought through any of the financial impacts you mention there about—? Have you scenarioed it out? Have you worked out, if something did happen, what the clawback mechanism would be and how much it would actually cost?
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Okay, thank you. Sorry, Rhianon, for cutting across there.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
So, the appropriateness element, and I think you touched on it in your answer around people potentially being adversely affected, or other groups, could potentially be used in the other way as well. So, it could be used badly as well as for good, if you like…
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
So, if the Minister thought—not you in particular—something would be 'appropriate', and I might not think it 'appropriate' but 'necessary', because it's proven under that definition of the higher bar as 'necessary', would that be a better—?
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
—'necessary or appropriate', so you could ignore the 'necessary' and go to the 'appropriate', if you thought it was 'appropriate'.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
But it says—
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Sorry, Rhianon—am I able to ask just a quick supplementary there? We talked earlier, and in your answer there, around 'appropriate or necessary' or 'necessary or appropriate'. Would it be strengthened by going 'necessary and appropriate'?
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Thank you. I'll come back to Rhianon to ask some more questions. Thank you.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Sorry, Rhianon, I think Mike would like to come in on that point, just for a second.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
That's okay. [Laughter.]
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Sorry, I think Andrew wants to come in. Sorry, Rhianon.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
So, there'd be no—. You wouldn't use any of these powers to change anything to do with the WRA.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Okay, thank you. I'll bring Rhianon in now, if I may.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Okay. Thank you for that. I'm just going to move on to one more question, and then I'll bring Rhianon in. We're wanting to understand a little bit around what we were just touching upon there with the general anti-avoidance rules and that element. The…
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Breaking the law.
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Professor Emyr Lewis told us that the Senedd lock could work in the context of the Bill and would ensure the primacy of the Senedd. I think it's something that Peter was talking about. As the legislature, it would mean the Senedd deciding when the powers…
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Peter, did you want to come in?
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Thank you. Witnesses did feel that the Senedd lock that was originally proposed in the consultation document would improve scrutiny and serve as a safeguard against abuse of the powers proposed by the Bill. Do you think that this is a valid observation?
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Minister, you drew our attention in a previous session to the UK Government's use of resolutions under the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act 1968 as an example of making changes to law quickly, but that involves a resolution of the House of Commons as…
16 Chwefror 2022 , Finance Committee
Bil Deddfau Trethi Cymru etc. (Pŵer i Addasu): Sesiwn dystiolaeth 6
Mike.
