28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 3
Yes, but D is just very, very cold and people are spending ridiculous sums of money and it still doesn't make the property warm. So, there's got to be something much greater that's got to happen in the context of the rise and rise of energy prices.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 3
Okay. Well, let's just focus on fabric first. So many of the properties in my constituency in Cardiff Central, and it would be very similar in Swansea—the landlord wouldn't live in these conditions, so we have to move now, before the next winter. What are we…
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 3
Okay. Just going back, the private rented sector is where the highest number of fuel-poor households now are, because obviously the social housing sector has made a lot more progress in this regard. So, what are the carrots and sticks that will get the…
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 3
Chair, I'm in your hands. I've got a series of questions, particularly on the private rented sector, but I'm happy to ask them now or later.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Thank you.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Yes, because at the moment the problems are in the private landlord and the owner-occupier sector, where people are just not paying attention.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
How do we actually have a level playing field so that all tenures realise they've got to meet these targets? Is it some sort of independent quality assurance scheme that everybody's got to meet by a certain date?
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Yes, if there's time. Just briefly, just to ask how you think the next two phases of the optimised retrofit programme should differ in the approach to the earlier phases, bearing in mind that we've got to really raise our game across all tenures. Neil.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Thank you very much. I just wanted to highlight something that was in your written evidence, which is that, as soon as you start having a community energy scheme, you then have a whole load of Government tariffs and network transport costs that you don't get…
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Okay, thank you. Unless anybody else has something to add, I'll hand back to the Chair.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Okay. So, are you saying that WHQS needs to be less clunky and revised to enable providers to make rational decisions in terms of individual properties and all the other things they have to take into account about fuel poverty and the need to change the…
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Well, we'll have to scrutinise some of the other organisations.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Okay. Just because we're short of time, I'll just move on to asking you whether the current approach under the ORP sufficiently focuses on maximising the life of existing components. One of you made a very important point about not needing to replace kitchens…
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Fine, okay. But if these building renovation passports are, obviously, easy to read—Daily Mirror style—where is the information being captured as to how we replicate the excellent projects you've delivered elsewhere?
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Okay. As somebody who never reads technical manuals, I completely agree that it's got to be jargon-free, and I think that's been picked up by other witnesses. However, there is another audience, which is obviously the construction industry, that needs to…
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
You're no longer frozen. Happy days.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
We can hear you, yes.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Oh, Louise. But I think she's frozen.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
What role do these building renovation passports play, do you think, in educating the private sector, whether landlords or owner-occupiers? Who wants to go on that one because at the moment everybody seems to be frozen?
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Okay. I beg your pardon. Tom.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Neil. Neil was unmuted.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 2
Thanks very much. I just wondered if you could give us a brief summary of the key transferable lessons from the ORP for other housing tenures. They're all hopefully listening intently to what you can tell us. Who would like to go first? I can't see anybody…
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 1
Thank you. Delyth, back to you.
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 1
That's okay. Because it's quite an important issue in relation to area-based upgrading. In the past with innovative housing, the leaseholders who bought their houses got all the work done for free in street A, and then street B with the council houses across…
28 Ebrill 2022 , Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Datgarboneiddio tai - sesiwn dystiolaeth 1
Very briefly, the PACE loans, do they include a charge on the property, so that, if the landlord or the homeowner sells, the taxpayer gets their money back? Chris, I think you're the expert on PACE loans.
