3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Cynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i eithrio'r cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod
So, under Standing Order 17.42, I'd like to ask Members to agree to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting.
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Okay, thank you very much. Thank you very much for your attendance today, and for that of your three officials. We'll obviously send you a transcript of everything you've said, which you obviously need to ensure is accurate. Otherwise, we look forward to…
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Okay. And just lastly—I know we have run over time slightly—Unison is calling for a centrally published list of suppliers that are barred from procurement because they've done something that's—. Clearly, in the light of Grenfell, there are reasons why we all…
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
True: see Drax power station, passim. A very specific issue raised by the deputy future generations commissioner is some clarity about the procurement investigation powers that the Welsh Government will have under this Bill with the powers of the future…
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
There's obviously quite a lot of law around the construction industry; less around food. What role would you envisage for certification of food so that what it says on the tin is actually what has happened? When people claim that something is organic or it…
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
The problems revealed by the Grenfell fire indicate that procurement has been something that hasn't had enough light shining on it. So, specifically in relation to the construction industry, how do you prevent large contractors simply pushing all of the risk…
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Finally, just homing in a little bit more on the procurement issues and how we bring everybody up to speed, given that the fire and rescue services said that finding good procurement officers was like hen's teeth, how do you see the procurement centre of…
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Very good. We've got 12 minutes, so if we can have short questions and short answers.
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Back to Jane Dodds. Did you want to ask anything further on this area?
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Peredur, did you want to come in at this point?
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Thank you. Moving on now to the socially responsible procurement aspect of this Bill: Jane Dodds, would you like to come in?
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Okay, thank you, Minister. I'd now like to bring Sarah Murphy back in to discuss the issues around data rights and the digitalisation of work. Sarah.
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Diolch. Can I just ask whether the way you've phrased clause 20 to amend the well-being of future generations Act is because there were concerns about our competence—both the Senedd and the Welsh Government—as a way of getting around that? Because Alan…
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Okay. Over to Jane Dodds then.
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Okay. Thank you for that. Ken Skates, would you like to come in at this point?
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Thank you. If we can move on to Joel James—you wanted to come in about the membership of the council.
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Yes.
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Okay, thank you. Peredur, you wanted to come in on this.
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
What's the purpose, then, of that clause? If it's your intention to work in partnership, why are you putting that clause in?
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Very good. Can I bring in Sarah Murphy now?
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Okay, sorry, Joel—I failed to see you.
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Thank you. Could I now call on Sarah Murphy, who's going to look at the actual role and operation—?
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Okay. Very good. Now, moving on to the financial implications of the Bill, Peredur.
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Good. And no doubt you'll all have read the Auditor General for Wales's report that came out last week about how equality impact assessments are being regarded as a tick-box exercise, and they were unable to find any evidence of actual impact. So, I'm sure…
3 Hydref 2022 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Y Bil Partneriaeth Gymdeithasol a Chaffael Cyhoeddus: sesiwn dystiolaeth weinidogol
Thank you, both of you, for that, because it's now on the record, and when in three years' time this committee looks at it, we'll be able to test you against those things. So, Joel, you wanted to have some questions on this.
