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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Jack.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
And the Scandinavian countries you've pointed to a number of times. Are they all similar in their structures, in terms of the Scandinavian countries? We're talking about Scandinavian countries. We're talking about are Sweden, Norway, Finland—
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Okay, yes.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Did you say Finland? Isn't Finland a Scandinavian—?
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Any other questions at all?
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Which areas, though—which countries are you suggesting that we look at in that regard?
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Sure. I suppose, as we've only got 10 minutes left of this session, it's about drawing some key things that Wales can learn from our delivery of healthcare and other European countries—that's the general question, I suppose. It's about pointing us to…
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
And Jack.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Mabon.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
A new point from you. Okay. I'll bring you in, Scott, then, on this point. Thank you.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
It's a new point. Yes, okay.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
I'll bring you in now, Scott. I'm just looking at Mabon and Jack. Do any of you want to ask a question on this point?
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Yes, I understand.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
I'm looking around for anyone who's got questions. I wanted to ask a question around prevention. The significant part, obviously, of a health system is preventing people from going into the health system in the first place. Are there any examples across…
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
I think you've answered my question—there aren't many examples of significant change in models or systems. Joyce is next, but I just want to perhaps focus discussion, in particular for us as a committee, to have examples from across Europe that we can learn…
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Okay, I understand. Mark, you wanted to come in, sorry.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
So you're telling us, 'Don't make significant changes to a model, but perhaps adapt the model you've got'.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
What was the impact and the outcomes?
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
I've got Joyce waiting to ask a question, but there's an overarching question I just wanted to raise as we have this discussion. Is there any European country that has significantly changed their model—their funding model or their model generally—and what has…
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
That's fine. Mabon, do you want to come in?
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Great. I've just got Sarah, then Mabon waiting. So, Sarah first, and then Joyce.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
Okay. I can see Mark wants to come in. All the time in my mind as well, I've got—. We want good examples of elsewhere in Europe where something might be done better that we can learn from. So, Mark.
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
I suppose I was a bit surprised to hear what you said, because we have lots of evidence about—. We just did a piece of work on dentistry, and dentists telling us there's a lot of bureaucracy and duplication of systems, there are two or three systems…
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
I've got some questions on technology myself. Did you have anything else, Jack?
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European models of health and social care: evidence session with academics
And just to jump in on an earlier question, you've mentioned northern Spain and a part of Germany, just to understand, is there a degree of devolution in European countries? Perhaps talk to that point as well as addressing Jack's wider point.
