, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Minister, can I ask: do you have availability to stay with us till 11:10, rather than 11 o'clock, and your officials?
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Thank you. Sam Rowlands.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Thank you. We've got more to get through than the time allocated, so I'm just encouraging shorter questions and shorter answers, if that's okay.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
I understand.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Sorry, Minister. Would it be okay if we had that in writing as well?
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
We're a bit short of time, so if there are any other technical questions—
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
That would be helpful.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Because we're short of time, could you put that in writing?
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Okay. Thank you. John Griffiths.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
When I've raised with Cabinet Secretary for health over the past year and said, 'Why didn't you put a cap on agency nursing? We're spending too much on agency nursing. Put a cap on it. We want to see that reduced', the Cabinet Secretary responds, reasonably I…
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
But can't you make it happen without bringing forward the legislation to remove profit?
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
But if you support that and support that to happen, then there's no need to bring forward legislation to remove the profit element.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
No. Minister, why not just support the public sector to deliver effectively? Presumably, they're not delivering effectively now, because that's why the private sector is stepping in. And if they were operating effectively, and they were being supported, the…
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Minister, can I just ask—? Sorry, Mark, did you have a final question?
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
I was hoping you would say that. Thank you. Mark Isherwood. Oh, sorry. Mark Drakeford. Mark Isherwood used to be on the committee a long time ago. Mark Drakeford.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Okay, thank you. We're really short of time, so I just want to get permission from you, Minister—if Members politely interrupt, are you okay with that?
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Thank you.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
And, of course, those stakeholders that you refer to would have given evidence to the inquiry themselves, but the inquiry still made those recommendations. I can't profess to be an expert.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
'Why not?', I suppose.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
I think what I understand, though—and please correct me if I'm wrong, Albert—but I think what you're outlining is there's currently a mandate on organisations, but the inquiry was looking to put a duty on individuals, which is not the case here in Wales. So…
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Yes, that's fine. I do really want to understand—some of my questions, I want to follow those through, so perhaps you could address those points.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
So, just to check, the inquiry made recommendations and you think that you're already undertaking the measures that the inquiry is recommending?
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
But just to check, are you suggesting that the reason that you're not taking forward the recommendation from the inquiry is because you're already doing these measures? Is that what you're saying?
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
So, I suppose the question is: a recommendation was made to you from the inquiry. Do you believe that you've taken up that recommendation or not?
, Health and Social Care Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: evidence session with the Minister for Social Care
Either for the Minister or Albert Heaney to respond to, but I suppose from my perspective, what I want to try and understand is—. This UK-wide inquiry was a substantial inquiry. It was a long, lengthy inquiry. It made a recommendation to you as a Government…
