, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 10: Involvement of the voluntary sector and third sector (Amendment 21)
Yes, I move it.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 10: Involvement of the voluntary sector and third sector (Amendment 21)
Formally.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 10: Involvement of the voluntary sector and third sector (Amendment 21)
I'm disappointed, of course, that we're not getting support for this, but, once again, I make the point that there's an attempt here to try to get into this Bill some reference to the need to stick to the core principles I think are important for us as a…
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Group 10: Involvement of the voluntary sector and third sector (Amendment 21)
Amendment 21, which is the only amendment that I have in group 10, echoes part of what I have already discussed in relation to amendment 22, which is the need, in my opinion, to show preference towards different models of providing services. Amendment 22 sets…
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Group 10: Involvement of the voluntary sector and third sector (Amendment 21)
Diolch yn fawr iawn. It's a shame that we took a break there because this followed on very nicely from some of the discussions that we were having prior to the break.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 9: Operation of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendments 17, 19, 20, 26, 28)
Formally.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 9: Operation of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendments 17, 19, 20, 26, 28)
Oh, go on, it's a good one. It's a particularly good one.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 9: Operation of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendments 17, 19, 20, 26, 28)
Formally.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 9: Operation of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendments 17, 19, 20, 26, 28)
Formally.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 9: Operation of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendments 17, 19, 20, 26, 28)
Thanks for that, but I guess I have put forward amendments today that, as a point of principle, would put the use of public sector providers, third sector, above seeking a collaboration or partnership with a private company seeking to make profit out of the…
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Group 9: Operation of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendments 17, 19, 20, 26, 28)
—and to seek ways—innovative ways some of them, perhaps, challenging ways in other aspects—of seeing if we can write into this what the kind of safeguards are that we want in future. If I could perhaps, Chair, with your permission seek just one bit of clarity…
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Group 9: Operation of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendments 17, 19, 20, 26, 28)
I was going to make a similar point. Absolutely, decisions should be taken on the basis of politics and principle. I'll take these amendments together. We hear the Minister, again, saying, 'Yes, we agree in principle but this is beyond the scope of the Bill.'…
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Group 9: Operation of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendments 17, 19, 20, 26, 28)
Thank you very much, Chair. There are several amendments that I need to move and explain here. I start by moving amendment 17 formally. Perhaps the greatest challenge that we face in the NHS at the moment is the workforce challenge, with job vacancies…
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Group 8: Requirement to promote public awareness of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendment 8)
Formally move.
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Group 8: Requirement to promote public awareness of regulations under section 10A(1) (Amendment 8)
Formally move.
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Group 5: Impact of regulatory alignment or divergence (Amendments 3, 24)
Just very briefly—thank you, Minister—if you could confirm that the guidance that will subsequently be produced will allow for risk assessments of doing things differently and not doing things differently—doing things differently or following what's being…
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Group 5: Impact of regulatory alignment or divergence (Amendments 3, 24)
Thank you very much. I have no problem in supporting amendment 3. There are people who live on both sides of the border who receive services on the other side, and, of course, where that happens, we need to ensure that that cross-border relationship is…
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Group 4: Consultation regarding regulations under section 10A(1) of the NHS (Wales) Act 2006 (Amendments 11, 4, 23)
I'll object, because I want to abstain.
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Group 4: Consultation regarding regulations under section 10A(1) of the NHS (Wales) Act 2006 (Amendments 11, 4, 23)
Just to be clear, are you willing to go as far as not moving this particular amendment today, so we can try to strengthen it as an amendment at Stage 3?
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Group 4: Consultation regarding regulations under section 10A(1) of the NHS (Wales) Act 2006 (Amendments 11, 4, 23)
Thank you very much, Chair, and thank you, Minister. I'll refer to the Government amendment itself in the first instance. I'm very pleased that this amendment does acknowledge the principle of the importance of consultation, but we'll see, in comparison with…
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Group 3: Health service procurement principles and governance (Amendments 14, 15, 16, 18, 22, 25)
To push my point further: again, it's to try to stop the expansion of privatisation. You could have a fully transparent and a very, very fair fully privatised NHS, and I don't want to see that. You could have a system that is wholly procured through the…
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Group 3: Health service procurement principles and governance (Amendments 14, 15, 16, 18, 22, 25)
No, thanks, Huw.
, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 3: Health service procurement principles and governance (Amendments 14, 15, 16, 18, 22, 25)
I'm more than happy to come back on that. I wouldn't have expected anybody to volunteer that this should be seen as legislation that would encourage more privatisation in the NHS. What I'm worried about is that it could be used by future Governments as a…
, Health and Social Care Committee
Group 3: Health service procurement principles and governance (Amendments 14, 15, 16, 18, 22, 25)
Diolch yn fawr iawn, Gadeirydd. Thank you, Minister, for your full response to what were pretty comprehensive amendments. Other than amendment 25, I'm naturally disappointed that the Government doesn't feel able to support these amendments today. The Minister…
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Group 3: Health service procurement principles and governance (Amendments 14, 15, 16, 18, 22, 25)
I start with the main amendment in the group, amendment 14. The purpose of this amendment is to reflect that those who are at the heart of the health services that we are discussing here under this Bill are people—the service users. What we're doing here is…
