, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Well, thank you very much for your time this morning. Sorry we've run over, but it just shows how—
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you. And, finally, Mike, would you mind asking question 13?
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Could you ask No. 11?
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Yes, we'll write to you with anything that we don't cover, it's just that it's been quite fascinating going through this.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
We can do, yes.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Just to bear in mind, I think we're actually out of time, but if you've got a few more minutes, then, obviously, Mike and Peter have got a few questions if we could go over.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, that's something for the future work.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I think one other piece of work that this committee is hoping to do is the cost of legislation, and something that we're keen to try and do is to look at what you said in your RIA, and after a Bill becomes an Act, does it match?
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
—of Bills.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
And it's the post-implementation reviews—
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
It tends to feed into budget setting and that aspect.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
All right. Okay. Fair enough. Thank you. I'll come to you now, Peter.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, is it an assumption, then, that that is the sort of peak, or is it still growing? These are the sort of questions, because, obviously, if it still grows, then your costs are going to grow.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Even if you just did a straight line and—
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
That doesn't compute somehow.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, just looking at the figures, from 2014 to 2023, children in care—. The figure in 2014 was 5,745; in 2023, 7,210, yet you've modelled on a constant.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I'll bring Rhianon back in now. Thank you.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
And we appreciate that things change and that they are complex, so the more detail, and as—. Mike's catchphrase in this committee is, 'Show your workings', so there we are.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
We'll come on to that in a minute. I wanted to bring Mike in and then come back to Rhianon. We cut across her and I want her to have half her questions as well.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Peter, did you want to come in, or has that answered your question?
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I think it is, but I wanted to understand, and obviously, when you have two sets of figures that don't add up within one document, it gives—
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Sorry, yes, on both—I've added the two together.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Sorry, Rhianon. That's the best part of £80 million between the bottom and the top, so I'd rather not just write. I'd like to try and get an answer.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I'm going to go over to Rhianon. I think she's got some questions around some of the inconsistencies in the data that we've already had. Rhianon, over to you.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, Minister, you're happy that it's as accurate as it can be, given those complexities.
