, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
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, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Very, very briefly, with Liz, you talked about mapping out your supply chains across Wales and beyond. How advanced is that in other councils across Wales? Is it something that is easily replicated, and does it then help to—? If you understand your supply…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Just one follow-up and then I'm done. Thanks, Jenny. How do you measure social value, then? How do you quantify that into the guidance and how do we track that over time?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Is that mirrored in your experience, Ed?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Okay. So, from both your spheres, where you're working, what will be the cumulative impact to those involved in the procurement process of needing to implement some changes to the procurement resulting from this Bill and obviously the UK procurement Bill…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
If you're in agreement, then I'll move on to the next set of questions.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Okay, thank you. You talked a bit about flexibility in the social partnership board and that element, and section 22 states that the bodies that are included in Schedule 1 are covered by the requirements of the Bill in relation to responsible public…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
So, it's finding that balance of consistency and bringing the poorer element up to the middle, and obviously allowing the good performers to thrive.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Ed, do you tend to agree, or tend to disagree? Obviously, you're in slightly different arenas.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Could you expand on the element of what introducing legislation will add to the processes that are there already?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Liz, you touched on this a few minutes ago, about the extent you think the objectives of procurement elements of the Bill could be achieved using existing legislation. You also talked a little bit about what adding legislation would do to this. Could you…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
A very warm welcome to both of you.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Yes, thank you.
, Plenary
Questions to the Minister for Social Justice
One of the problems the sector is currently having is funding fair pay settlements that reflect rises in the cost of living. This is particularly the case with organisations that have contracts with multiple public sector providers that are adopting different…
, Plenary
Questions to the Minister for Social Justice
Thank you for that answer.
, Plenary
Questions to the Minister for Social Justice
1. How is the Government promoting fair pay for workers in the third sector? OQ58319
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 6—the Bevan Foundation
Thank you, Chair. That's great.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 6—the Bevan Foundation
And that leads into something that you said in your draft Bill consultation response, that businesses that supply Welsh public bodies should, as far as possible, be located in Wales, and the link then to be able to measure that and measure the supply chain…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 6—the Bevan Foundation
—so that it would potentially be anybody who receives money from the Government? So, it's the widest possible aspect.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 6—the Bevan Foundation
That might go to answering my next question, with regard to the public bodies that are included in the Bill. Would you want them widened up—
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 6—the Bevan Foundation
Okay, thank you very much. So, to be able to measure something, you need data, and you talked about, in an earlier answer, having the right information. Well, that probably means data collection and to be able to take it further, then, you'd probably need…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 6—the Bevan Foundation
I’d like to look at what you think about the extent of the proposals in the Bill to deliver tangible benefits and how we would go about measuring those tangible benefits.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 6—the Bevan Foundation
Thank you, Chair. It’s very interesting to hear your evidence, as always, Dr Winckler. It’s good to have you here this afternoon.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 5—trade unions (2)
Anyone want to add to that, or are you in agreement with that?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 5—trade unions (2)
I think the trick is how you measure social value and some of the things that you were talking about there—carbon footprint and fair work. It all adds into it; it's just how we get a metric that actually builds that, and then how that's measured and targeted…
