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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
You're not lessening your workload, are you? [Laughter.]
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Mike.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
On that point, because you, Adrian, work quite closely with PAPAC, having oversight and working on the committee could make it quite tricky for that committee to take that work on, so it might fall to this committee. But it's obviously in the early stages of…
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
That's fine.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
I think Rhianon wanted to come in.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
You're talking about more experienced staff taking the same amount of hours—that you’d need more experienced staff and more technical expertise. And you were talking earlier about the pressures from the private sector. How are you coping with that, and what's…
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Thank you. Peter.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Within. Ah, right.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Are we right in saying that that's the maximum it would be—that £550,000 would be the maximum for dilapidations?
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Okay. Thank you. Rhianon.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Sorry, Rhianon, before you move on on that part, you've previously included movements in working capital adjustments that relate to accruals and other non-IFRS 16 and non-cash items in your estimates. Where are these items in your 2023-24 estimate, and can…
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Thank you, Mike. Rhianon.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
We don't have an awful lot of time.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Okay. Thank you very much. Mike.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Yes, in support of the committees.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
And how do you make sure that there is value for money when it comes to spending that public pound effectively?
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Okay. Thank you very much for that. If we move on slightly, then, in the estimate, you suggest that you're increasingly supporting Senedd committees, as well as the Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee, with the costs of work increasing in line…
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Thank you for that. You referenced the letter. Obviously, this committee is not taking a position on that. But we're just interested in understanding if you could outline how you're incorporating the concerns of the unions into that, and maybe explore that a…
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Okay, thank you very much. What level is the pay award due to be set at and what support is available for staff on lower grades and why should the committee support the increase given that the Minister for Finance and Local Government has commented that the…
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Okay, that's fine, because it outlines that items in your baseline costs and adjustments were non-cash items, so it's just making sure that we've got that correct in there. Right, okay. Lovely. Thank you very much. So, I'd like to look at the revenue costs…
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Okay, no problem. I think you touched on this earlier when Kevin was talking about things below the line with regard to the payback of some of the unallocated funds that we made available. How are dilapidation costs accounted for?
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
So, local authorities and health boards wouldn't be charged as much, because it would be coming out of the consolidated fund.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Of course.
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
Okay. Thank you very much—
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Audit Wales—Scrutiny of the Estimate 2023-24 and Interim Report: Evidence session
And what's the quantum there? About £1 million, did you say?
