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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. So, a final question from me, and I'll go on to Mike's questions after that. At what point will you be able to undertake a detailed assessment of the financial implications of the new procurement regime and how will you ensure that that assessment…
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Mike wants to come in.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Just following on from that—I'll bring Mike in in a second now—anybody who listened to the debate last night knows I'm a fan of targets, if nobody had guessed. But with KPIs and things, if you're not going through a tendering process, potentially—and this is…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
It's always the unknowns. We've done some work and we've been looking a little bit at the cost of Bills and Acts as they become law, and they always overrun, or more often than not overrun. So, it's always the nervousness around how accurate are those figures…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you for that. If we can move on to the unquantified aspects, because there are quite a few unquantified aspects of this Bill, including the costs and savings, the process of the post-implementation review, and the work taken forward to support…
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Have you had those discussions with Rebecca Evans as the Minister for local authorities, just to give her the heads up that there might be some additional costs involved? Would it need to be found then from that budget line?
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Is it only authorities that have a physical border with England, or is it affecting every health board in Wales?
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
That would be lovely. Thank you. Tom.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I think Mike did have a quick supplementary there.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Thank you. Sorry, Tom; you've been very patient.
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
But that's been factored into some of the costs around training and—
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
And just—. Sorry, Tom, I'll bring you in in a second. But, with having just been through Stage 2 and Stage 3 and the scrutiny of the social partnership Bill, and talking to procurement specialists, do we have the expertise to be able to train them in the new…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Finally from me, before I move on to Tom, you estimate that £5.1 million of the Welsh Government's staff cost linked to activity around the UK Government legislation, with a further £700,000 staff costs for this Bill, can you provide further information…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, if there's a contract being tendered for now, regulations come into force next week, the contract is signed now and bridging over two regimes, are there any financial implications for our service providers here in Wales, or—?
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. The RIA on this is a three-year implementation period, or covers the period. How long do you think it will be? How long will the process actually take for everything to wash through, if you like? Is three years a reasonable assumption, or is it going to…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I'm not pre-empting any decisions. But, there we are. Okay.
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
As long as everything goes through.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
But, this Bill itself will have Royal Assent this year.
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Yes.
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
But your best guess?
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Do you know, roughly, how long that gap will be?
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay, thank you. You've talked about living cheek by jowl, and the legislation that's going through in Westminster. When you introduced the Bill in February, you suggested that timing will maximise procedural efficiencies by coinciding with the UK procurement…
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
—all framework Bills; something that we're seeing is more and more framework Bills coming through, and regulations. It's how we actually make sure that the financial scrutiny is done, and that's the remit of this committee. But let's move on to the RIA. It…
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Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Yes. It's not just this Bill, it's—
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Before we move on from this particular question, you've talked about the regulations that have come down the line. And, as they unfold, and as we need to regulate, what oversight will this committee have on the financial implications of those regulations? Or…
