, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Yes. And we could have a whole debate about the merits of the Arup work and everything, but we won't go there; we've been there before. Thank you. Back to you, then, Janet, to conclude this section.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
We need to focus on the Bill—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Yes. Sure. Okay. Very briefly, Huw, and then we will come back to Janet.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
No, clearly.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
So, before we come back to Janet, just to conclude on this area, much of the evidence that we've received has flagged up to us that 80 per cent of the noise around these major planning applications is about whether this meets the policy intent, whether it's…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Sorry, Joyce wanted to come in as a well.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Sorry, yes. Okay. Janet, and then we'll come to Joyce.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
So, it might be different depending on the merits or otherwise of each individual application.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
So, how would there be clarity around which one has precedence?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
So, they may flip.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Thank you very much, Jenny. Janet.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
But that would potentially mean, then, a change to the Bill at Stage 2 or 3.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Sorry, Jenny. I think Huw wants to—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Indeed, yes. Okay, thank you. Jenny.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Yes. There we are. Okay, thank you.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Okay. So, before we move on from resourcing, then, just for clarity, Minister, what you're saying is that your intention is to ensure that the scale of fees is high enough and sufficient enough to ensure that local planning authorities and other statutory…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Can we just hold that thought, and we'll take a question from Joyce as well, and then we'll respond to both at the same time?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Okay. I have both Jenny and Joyce wanting to come in, so, very briefly, and I'll take you both together, and then maybe you can respond to both at the same time.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Huw, you wanted to come in on this.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
It's a fair comment.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Okay. Thank you, Huw. And of course, all of this will come in secondary legislation. I suppose it illustrates the difficulty we're having in scrutinising what the landscape will look like as we deliberate the merits or otherwise of this Bill, but there we…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
Okay, and we'll be drilling down into some specifics, obviously, as we go along. Thank you, Jenny. Huw.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
There we are. Okay, well that's positive, thank you. Jenny.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill - Evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change
So, we'll go on to the main focus of this meeting, because today we will be having our second evidence session with the Minister for Climate Change on the Infrastructure (Wales) Bill, and, of course, we will be bringing our scrutiny work for Stage 1 to an…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Introductions, apologies, substitutions, and declarations of interest
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to this meeting of the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee here at the Senedd. Could I welcome Members to the meeting? This is, of course, a hybrid meeting. Aside from the adaptations relating to…
