, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
It is. I'm very constistent.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
I'm going to start of by saying, Llyr, the usual thing that we have to and fro in the committee: it's not our decision where they are in the timescale; it's the First Minister's decision. So, I'm not going to pre-empt anything the First Minister's going to…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
It's a starter for 10. Can we confer?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
Yes, we absolutely are going to do that. I'm determined to do that. What I don't know is what they will look like. So, we've got a whole series of pieces of work going on to make sure that we have robust, stretching but achievable targets over the short…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
I'm more than happy to ask the question, Huw, as to when. So, negotiations are happening in Nairobi on 21 and 26 June. I'm more than happy to find out, frankly, what Wales itself will get by way of feedback and then what we can share with the committee. I'm…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
I'm not sure I can do that, Huw, because we're part of the DEFRA negotiating team. I will certainly ask the question, but I'm fairly certain the answer's going to be, 'Well, no, if we tell you what the negotiating stance is, that's going to undermine our…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
We're not having any difficulty at the UK level, to be fair. We're having a reasonable conversation with DEFRA officials about what the UK position is on this. The UK position is broadly in line with our own about the need to do exactly what I've just said…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
Yes. So, we're working with the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs and UK counterparts to develop a negotiating position in readiness for the fourth meeting of the working groups for COP. They're in Nairobi from 21 to 26 June, with the…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
So, that's very much a part of the whole national plan—the five-minute neighbourhood, the access to different sorts of plans. So, we're talking with our—. We've got some serious issues about the way that funding works for some of these things. So, we're…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
I've just said that.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
I thought I'd say it, for the avoidance of doubt. [Laughter.] But just to add that we're also very keen on pushing the tiny forest project for that, particularly for urban areas, and that's very much with a view to reconnecting people who live in our urban…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
And the last thing I'd like to add on that, and I completely agree with everything that Lee Waters has just said—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
Clearly, there are lots of places in Wales—there are peatlands and everything else—that need to be preserved. So, it's a little bit like the panda in the World Wildlife Fund, isn't it? We're not only preserving pandas, we're not only talking about trees. It's…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
And also, Llyr—I mean, I'd love to see the examples too. We're very happy to look at them. But because we're buying up land for a national forest doesn't mean there won't be access for young farmers to learn the skills necessary to manage forestry, which we…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
It depends. And then the last thing I wanted to say—sorry, Lee, I'll shut up in a minute—is we also have a big drive for renewables. I know onshore wind is controversial and so on, but we have onshore wind farms on the Welsh Government forest estate. I had…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
Can I come in there? I very recently had a meeting with NRW officials about this, Llyr. So, I think we're in danger of making a binary thing here where, actually, it's a lot more nuanced. So, first of all, there's nothing to stop young farmers accessing land…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 2
Can I just add as well to that? I absolutely agree with all of that, Delyth. I think there are two other things to add to it that are absolutely essential. The first is that there's a gender lens on this. So, if you analyse the journeys that women take to…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 1
So, to shift them away from the car-dependent culture to, 'You're not having planning consent there, unless there's a public sector transport node, there's a decent five-minute neighbourhood plan, and so on.' So, we've got a large number of other levers…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 1
Also, actually, Huw, can I add there as well? So, as part of the planning system, 'Future Wales' and so on, we are requiring local authorities to redo their local development plans and to put their strategic regional development plans in place. And those…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 1
End of next year. End of this year for the skills plan, sorry—let me get my plans in order. End of this year for the skills plan. By the end of next year, you should be able to see clearly the roll-out of the ORP tech trials on a wider basis. So, skills plan…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 1
I think I've mentioned already that we've been looking at the minimum energy efficiency standard. That's about the calibration, isn't it, because we were very concerned that the UK Government was saying, 'Just bring your properties up to EPC E' in the first…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 1
I don't have that to hand, but I'm sure we can give you that data.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 1
I'm sure we can write to committee and give you that information.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 1
I haven't got it now, that's for sure.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Minister and Deputy Minister for Climate Change - session 1
Certainly we'd be looking at that. We've had conversations with the Development Bank of Wales on what they can do in that space. But, again, we have to know what we're telling the private sector landlord to do before we want to give them loans to do it. So…
