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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 2
Okay. Ken, back to you.
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 2
Jane.
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 2
If you could raise your hand if you want to speak. Sarah Coates, why don't you start?
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 2
Welcome back to the Equality and Social Justice Committee. We're now going to have our second evidence session around our follow-up inquiry on childcare. For this session, we very much welcome Sarah Coates from the National Day Nurseries Association, which is…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Good. We're keen to hear a lot more about that. Thank you very much indeed. We've reached the end of our allotted time. We'll send you all a transcript of your contributions, and please do amend it if we've captured your information wrongly. Thank you very…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Okay.
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Oh, a no-brainer then.
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
My final question really goes back to what Hayli was saying about the school where the bilingual provision has moved to Welsh-medium provision elsewhere, and they used that to expand the childcare on offer in that school. Even in an urban area like my…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Okay. Thank you. We have reached the end of our time. If you've got a very quick question.
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Well, some do; some of them are joining it.
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Employers don't?
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Okay. I just finally want to ask a question related to what Hayli was saying, about your teacher with a child with special needs. She presumably worked for the public sector. Supposing she was employed by a private business, what responsibility should we…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Okay. So, what Hayli Gibson described as there being absolutely no—you know, a complete Chinese wall between children's social care and education, is that every local authority's approach to it?
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
This feels like groundhog day to me, because, at the end of the 1990s, I was a councillor in an English local authority, early years was integrated. It was education and social care, and they were one. It was about meeting the needs of all the children in…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Dr David, could you just explain, when you talk about that the state funding for care should be pulled to create a funding system that's simple, fair and affordable for parents, does that exist in England, and does that include children's social care? No…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Okay. Thank you. Sioned Williams.
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
So that's a 'no' then, is it?
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Hayli, does that conversation go on with children's social services in Pembrokeshire?
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
I'm going to pass over to Sioned Williams in a second, but just one last question from me. A lot of local authority budgets are tied up in children's social services, where, for one reason or another, there are causes for concern, and they can end up becoming…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
How much are we applying different standards to different types of settings? In a school, where a child has identified additional learning needs, it's normally a teaching assistant, who is less qualified, who will be looking after those individual pupils…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Dr Dallimore, your paper highlighted that high-quality settings across the UK are those where staff have higher qualifications. That seems to be slightly at variance with what Janet and Hayli are saying, which is that they've got people who are highly…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Okay. So, how do we raise the quality and competency of our existing workforce? Is this a qualifications issue? Is it about investing in the backfill to release people? Clearly, we want all our childcare providers to be centres of excellence, because all our…
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
There are child welfare issues around bussing young children—
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Okay.
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Childcare follow-up inquiry: evidence session 1
Okay, but it really does beg the question of what is the purpose of the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Act 2018 if it doesn't apply to children who are not in the statutory sector? For the child in the statutory sector, if governors…
