, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
I think they definitely will be in the future. Ken Skates.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Okay. Councillor Bradwick.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Ken Skates. Sorry—Roger Thomas wanted to come in.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Thank you. Ken Skates.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
I think Dylan Rees wanted to add something.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Dawn Docx is indicating.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Very fair comment. Can I bring in Ken Skates at this point, to discuss the role the Welsh Government might play in this regard?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Yes. Well, I'm talking about that the UK Government's obviously looking at the arrangements in England, and we have a different landscape, because police is not currently devolved, so therefore it's difficult to see how we could amalgamate the governance of…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Thank you for that. I can't see any other persons who want to talk about that any further. So, the UK Government has recently reported on its consultation into fire reforms. What lessons, if any, are there for the Welsh Government to learn from the experience…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Thank you. Roger Thomas.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
That's okay, but I just want to remind us we have at least £1 billion less in the Welsh Government's budget in this coming year than last year, so the idea that there is suddenly this magic pot of money that we can call on is difficult to see. Dylan Rees.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Okay.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Okay. So nothing will change unless there's more money.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Elaborate on what you meant when you said, 'It'll come down to money': is that having a more cost-effective service, or is it somebody having to provide more money?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Fine. Moving on, I just want to bring us back to the Audit Wales review of the governance arrangements, which we heard, earlier this afternoon, are not likely to be published before the summer. I'm particularly keen to pursue what issues would need to be…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Okay. Sarah Murphy.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Thank you for that. Councillor Bradwick, clearly, the culture review indicates that there are some pretty serious issues that have been experienced by the south Wales service, and you have submitted yourselves to the spotlight by Fenella Morris and her team…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Dylan Rees, did you want to come in at all?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
I think I'd like to turn the question around a little, which is the role of the authority. Because the chief officers can't promote people unless they're equipped to do that job, but the role of the authority is to bring the wider governance role. So, I…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Okay. Sarah Murphy.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
I think it's authority members, yes.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Anybody got anything further to add?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Fine. Dewi Rose. You don't need to unmute. Yes, go ahead.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
No, obviously. Roger Thomas.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Governance of Fire and Rescue Services: panel 6
Sioned Williams, and then we'll come back to you.