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Okay. Thanks very much. We'll come back to that next month. Sarah, you're wanting to come up with the small subject of inequality in a future Wales.
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Overall, just finally, it's a short but very pertinent report that you did with the New Economics Foundation. What has been the response from various stakeholders to date to that report?
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Sophie, I think you want to be fairly brief on this, because obviously we're seeing you next month when we're doing our fuel poverty inquiry.
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Sorry. Thank you. Jane.
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Sioned, were you going to go on and just briefly ask about the retrofitting paper?
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We'll be having our own stab at this when we scrutinise the social partnership and public procurement Bill. So, thank you for all that information. I'd now like to call Sioned who wanted to ask the next question.
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Okay. So, you've already undertaken a section 20 review into procurement, and you've got some very sharp things to say about that in your paper. What have you achieved or do you expect to achieve from the section 20 review of procurement?
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Okay. Ultimately, this is the job of the First Minister and the Permanent Secretary, to knit together the activities of different departments. The First Minister is not known for his lack of grasp of the detail. Why do you think that we persist in having this…
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Okay. So, is this the main driver, then, behind your proposed section 20 review, to really try and hack into the undergrowth of why we continue to expand on the alphabet soup, rather than reduce it to something that the public can understand?
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So, is it cowardice, exhaustion or just not wanting to—? You know, it's like poking a beehive or a hornet's nest.
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Okay, thank you. Before I go on to ask you about the proposed section 20 review, I just want to throw in a question: we're a population of just over 3 million, how is it possible that we have this proliferation of organisations, when I remember, in the Public…
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Go ahead.
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Okay. Fine. Sioned. Sioned Williams, would you like to come in at this point?
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Okay. Thank you for that frankness. Ken, would you like to pick up the conversation?
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Heledd has answered the question very well. Is there anything you want to add to what Heledd just told us?
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All right. Heledd, is this an area that you'd be able to respond to?
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Okay. Thank you very much. Obviously, all that's very interesting. We'll have to come back to that another day. I'd like to now welcome Sam Rowlands, who's substituting for Altaf Hussain. I was remiss earlier to say that we've received apologies from Altaf…
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Okay. You could be directing resources from above, but that isn't going to get you the joined-up thinking and the collaborative working that is what we're hoping to see from the PSBs. Is there anything specifically, very briefly, that you think the Welsh…
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Very good. I just wanted to ask you about public services boards. Obviously, they were one of the key organisations set up under the Act. I was looking at the list of organisations that have approached you for support, and I can see Wrexham and Powys; I…
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Okay. Sarah Murphy, you wanted to come back in on this one.
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For 2020, yes.
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No, I think—. Sophie, I'll just stop you. I think it's the future generations report.
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This is the 2020 report. Is that right?
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I'm very pleased now to go on to welcome Sophie Howe, the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales, and Heledd Morgan, the lead change maker. So, welcome, both of you, and Jane Dodds is going to ask the first question.
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Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest
Prynhawn da. I'd like to welcome everybody to the meeting of the Equality and Social Justice Committee. If, for any reason, I fall out of this meeting, Sarah Murphy will take over from me. The public items for this meeting are being broadcast live on…
