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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Okay. Thank you. Can I just hand back to Sarah Murphy now?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
[Inaudible.]—an issue that we mentioned in an earlier session, which was around the fact that you're not eligible for Nest if you've got a business registered at the place where you live. Well, every farmer, nearly every farmer, will be living on the job, so…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Okay, thank you very much. Tom Giffard wants to come in and delve down a bit deeper into rural fuel poverty.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
I think that you need to indicate—. Okay. Go ahead.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Okay. I think that Ken Skates wanted to pursue this very subject.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Matthew, did you want to add anything before I ask Ken Skates to come in?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Diolch. Elliw, you mentioned earlier that the most energy-inefficient homes are largely in the private sector because quite a lot of work has gone on with social housing. How do you think we can encourage private landlords to tackle fuel poverty amongst their…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Thank you. Can I now bring in Jane Dodds, who's going to talk about the shape of future programmes based on our experience to date? Jane.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Diolch. Sioned Williams.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Thank you. Sarah Merry—Sarah Murphy, I beg your pardon, wanted to come in at this point, just to have a look a bit further at how these current programmes have been working. Sarah.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Thank you. Matthew, your view on the use of data.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
How successful do you think Nest and Arbed have been in using data that's available to target likely eligible homes, and for the way in which the reporting and monitoring of these programmes have been done? Elliw, do you want to start there?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Elliw, how big a problem is it from the local authority perspective?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
The Arbed programme was actually wound up last November, and the new programme that the Welsh Government's currently consulting on isn't due to kick off until the 2023-24 financial year. How big a concern is that? What impact might that have on the sorts of…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Thank you. Matthew Kennedy, your view, please.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 2
Welcome back to the second session of our fuel poverty inquiry. For this session, we have Elliw Llyr, housing strategy officer for Ynys Môn county council and Matthew Kennedy, Chartered Institute of Housing Cymru. Welcome to you both. I wonder if I could just…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 1
Diolch yn fawr iawn. So, can we take an 11-minute break and come back just before 2.45 p.m. so that we can get cracking at 2.45 p.m. on the dot? Very good. Meanwhile, if the clerks can deal with making sure that the—.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 1
Okay. Fine. That's great. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, both of you, for your contributions. We will send you both a transcript of what you have said so that you can amend anything that has been misheard or misinterpreted. Thank you very much…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 1
Thank you. Just finally, Victoria, surely the fuel poverty focus needs to be coming from the single advice fund deliverers. Because they're having to look at the benefits checks and all these other related matters, they tend to be dealing with the more…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 1
Okay, thank you. I now want to bring in Ken Skates. You've got some concerns for the next programme.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 1
Victoria, did you want to add something?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 1
Most farmers live on the job, don't they? I mean, there are some who don't—a few—but the vast majority live on the farm, because they want to keep an eye on it, so that means none of them would be eligible if they lived on their business property.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 1
Okay. I just wanted to pick up one point that Jonathan made, which is that you're ineligible for Nest if you have a business registered at the address where you live. The obvious case of that would be a farmer; whether they're a tenant or they own it, their…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 1
Okay. This is an important area. I think Sarah Murphy wanted to pursue this matter.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 1
Okay, thank you for that. Jonathan, is there anything you can add to this, in terms of how we get private landlords to step up to the plate? We clearly can't provide people who are owner-occupiers—. If they want to go on living in a leaky home, that's their…
