, Plenary
Debate: The Final Budget 2022-23
It's all right. I didn't speak, actually. I just wondered, you say, 'recognising the extra we've had from the UK Government', but we've just heard in the statement of £1 billion less because of the money that's not come from what we usually got through the…
, Plenary
Statement by the Minister for Economy: Stronger, Fairer, Greener Wales: A Plan for Employability and Skills
Following the International Women's Day theme, I want to try and explore how we're going to close the gender gap in relation to not having women in one section of the workforce and men in the other, because we need—. A bit more mixing up will benefit the…
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Motion under Standing Order 17.42(vi) and (ix) to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting
We will now move into private session and have the rest of the meeting in private.
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Papers to note
We have 10 items of papers of note. Is there anything anybody wants to raise in public session before we move into private session? I take that as a no. Nothing further to add on those papers.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Thank you.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Very good. Thank you very much, both of you, for your contributions. Jack, we'll write to you with some of the additional information that it would be really useful for us to have, and we will also be seeking to get some evidence from British Gas. We will…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Okay. Thank you very much indeed. Jack, is there anything you wanted to add, or is—? I think we've pretty much covered this point. Is that right as far as you're concerned?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Ben.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Okay. Okay, so, moving to the really important question, which is how do we develop the skilled workforce that we need for this really massive task (a) on insulating the fabric of people's homes and (b) on understanding and correctly installing the heat pumps…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Neither of you has mentioned, instead of repairing or replacing somebody's boiler in the first instance where, you know, it has broken down and, clearly, people need a heating system—. Why not go straight to the quite efficient electric heaters, electric…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Okay. I'll come back to you in a minute on something, but, Ben, one programme or two?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Okay. I'll come back to you in a moment, but I'll leave you with the question I'm going to come back to, which is: are you in favour of, therefore, two programmes, or can we have both objectives in the same one, single programme? Jack.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Okay, but ultimately we're trying to eliminate fuel poverty and meet our net-zero targets, so how are we going to identify these worst-first homes that we need to prioritise, obviously? And how are we going to have a system in the new Warm Homes programme…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Okay. All right. Ben, do you want to come in on this point?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Okay, that's good news, but how did we get the EPC rating so wrong? Was it because we were all obsessed by cleaning up the electricity generation scheme of coal-fired powers stations? How come we didn't already know that gas was also loading the world with…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Yes. I'm happy for you to go first.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Thank you very much. Okay, I just want to finish up with a few slightly technical questions, but really important in how we shape the future programme. Before I ask you how we are going to identify these worst-first homes, I wonder if I can just ask you about…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Thank you very much indeed, Tom. Can I pass on to Sioned Williams now?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Ben, you wanted to come in.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Thank you. Tom Giffard.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Thank you. Could we move to Ken Skates now?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Okay. Sioned Williams, would you like to come in at this point?
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Thank you. That would be extremely useful, because I think it's important that we learn from the past.
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Jane, were you planning or wanting to come back? No. Okay. I just want to press you, Mr Wilkinson-Dix, because you were the central co-ordination point for the Nest scheme, and half owners in the 50:50 joint venture in Arbed. So, I'm just struggling to…
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Fuel poverty and the Warm Homes programme: Evidence session 4
Jack, if you'd like to come in—I think Jane's having difficulties.
