, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest
Good afternoon. Welcome to the Equality and Social Justice Committee, where we're continuing our inquiry into preventing gender-based violence. I've had apologies from Ken Skates, who may be able to join us in the latter part of our meeting if he's able to…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Papers to note
Under papers to note, I'd like to highlight 4.3, where Bethan Sayed, on behalf of Climate Change Cymru, has written to us about the importance of an energy-efficiency scheme. Public money is tight. I note that Lord Deben is calling for that every house…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Thank you.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Okay. Well, my final question would be around how we can see both public and private investments in nature's recovery so that we deliver on the COP15 agreement. Katie.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Sure. A no-brainer.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
—because we've got to somehow safeguard our nature and reverse the appalling trends.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
—because dairy farmers aren't paid enough. I get that. The supermarkets are just screwing them. But it's complicated, isn't it—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Okay, so—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
That's just like saying the oil industry can't afford to clean up the mess they make.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Well, then, don't go into that business.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Okay. I suppose the most urgent thing for us is that we are setting the right targets and that we're not rewarding people who are just making the climate and nature emergencies worse. So, the sustainable farming scheme has got to be purposed to delivering on…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
—if they're fishing offshore, the fish don't—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
We do inshore, indeed. But—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Okay. So, this was supposed to be one of the benefits of leaving the EU, but, actually, we don't have the levers to control it, so—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Okay, don't worry. We'll move on from that, but—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Why doesn't this nature networks fund work like the facilitation fund you're talking about in England?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Okay, thank you.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
That sounds as if the well-being of future generations Act never existed, and we have got collaboration baked into that.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 2
Yes, thank you. So, the Welsh Government's already said it's going to establish legally binding biodiversity targets, but clearly, we need to ensure that we've got those targets right. So, Tim, your paper is very interesting on ensuring that we're setting the…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 1
Thank you.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 1
Okay. Thank you. And Annie, briefly.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 1
Okay. Clearly, corporate Britain probably wants to be seen to be doing the right thing by nature—this is a cuddly thing these days. So, how do we ensure that—? Whether it's for restitution for damaging things they're doing elsewhere, how do we get better at…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 1
Okay. Fair enough.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 1
Okay, all right. But I want to challenge you on this idea that designated landscape areas should get more money than other areas.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Biodiversity and the nature emergency - evidence session 1
Yes. I wanted to pursue how public and private investment can be refocused following the COP15 agreement. On the one hand, Jonathan, you're arguing that more money should be spent around designated landscapes, because you argue that they're better able to…
