, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Now, that is a good question. 'I don't know' is the answer to that.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
We're not on that page at the moment, and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I don't think we've got any other choice; we're going to have to see this through. So, obviously, we would have to find—. I'm not expecting that cost to be additional…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
It's really all about training, isn't it? The main cost is about training, and in the scope of it, we're not talking about a lot of money at all, I don't think.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I think the amount of clinical commissioning in local authorities is very, very limited. Just to give you an example, if you wanted to give veterans mental health support, and that very niche advisory service wasn't available in Wales, you might want to…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
It's every health board, because they may commission services from England.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
This is informal, but we know who these people are who are going to be impacted. Leanne, is there anyone else we've—?
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
We've identified who it is we think will be impacted by this. Obviously, there are people in shared services, there are people in NHS health boards. They're quite easily identifiable, these people. We've also discussed with the trade unions—
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Not all people involved in procurement will need to be trained in this, because, actually, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of people involved in procurement. But this is a very, very specialised kind of procurement. We're talking about clinical services…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Shall we send that to you?
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
We are expecting them to do it within their existing staff, but it's just trying to make sure that there's an understanding that they're going to have to do things differently. If you were to carve out the time, then that's effectively what it would cost.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Well, I guess nobody knows what the new regime looks like, so we'll have to wait to see what it looks like, and then—. You know, England will only be a few weeks ahead of us, effectively.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I don't think we need additional staffing; it's just a question of training staff who are currently employed in a new system.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, I think it's probably worth stating that, actually, that's part of the purpose of this Bill, because, at the moment, you have to go out to tender quite frequently. So, those contracts will come up fairly frequently, and then you have to go through a whole…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Be seen through.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Leanne.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Sure. Absolutely.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
This year. This summer, we hope. That's why we're going at a gallop.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
And, obviously, we won't be able to get this through and get the detail done until maybe spring next year.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, we expect them maybe this year.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Well, it's going through at the moment, so—.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Well, it depends, because it hasn't finished its route through Westminster yet, and it depends when they come up with a regulatory proposal.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I guess there will be a bit of a gap, so we're just trying to make that gap as short as we can.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Well, I'll just start, and bring Dafydd in. So, obviously, one of the points that we've covered here is the staff costs. So, there will be people involved in procurement who will need to be trained on how this new system works. What we've done is we looked at…
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Sure, absolutely.
, Finance Committee
Financial Implications of the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Can I ask Leanne to come in there?
