1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Thank you. Thanks, Chair. Thanks, everybody.
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
It's certainly something that I've considered. Within the timescale and the remit of the Bill itself, I haven't been able to go into the detail on that, but certainly it's something I expect the Minister to have to take a look at as well.
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
I'm so sorry.
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
I'm really sorry, Chair. I was doing a bad thing of reading something there, while I should have been listening to you. Could you repeat the question to me?
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Initially, I would respond by saying it's a political choice as to what's affordable and what isn't. The Government makes decisions every single day about what it chooses to afford to pay for and what it chooses not to afford to pay for, and I'll try and…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
It's an interesting question. You will know that teachers' contracts do not allow for overtime payments to be made to teachers—and it's worth acknowledging the point I made earlier that a lot of this work already takes place by teachers at the moment, and all…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
That's helpful. Sorry, Janet, just on that point as well, we acknowledge again that, in schools and local authorities, there's already a huge amount of tracking on pupils. I happen to still be a governor of a school and look forward to those governors'…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Okay. Thanks, Janet. I think there are two elements to your question there. There's the part about the tracking and there's the part about monitoring outcomes as well. I might ask Dave to come in on monitoring the outcomes and how some of that currently takes…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
And also—. Sorry.
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
I'm happy to make that clearer, if that's necessary. I think there is already a lot of guidance in the 2021 Act that points to this as well. I'm not sure if Manon would be able to expand on that at all. But, yes, this could be clearer. But, as I say, it…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
And could I just make a further comment, Chair, on that point? I just wanted to share with the committee that it’s something that I’ve certainly thought a lot about and in the children’s rights impact assessment, towards the back of the explanatory…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Thanks again. I don’t mean to be flippant on this, but a systematic way of dealing with anxiety sounds quite anxiety-inducing to me. But it’s worth certainly acknowledging the great work that many centres already undertake in their conversations with…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Again, I think it's a fair question, and thanks for posing it, Ken. The Bill and the intention of this, realistically, cannot remove every single cost necessary for a child to have this experience. The calculation we've done is based on including the travel…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
So, the absolute intention and the way the Bill has been set out will ensure that all children of all ability have this opportunity. Perhaps I could point the Member to—. So, in the Bill, point (c) says that the guidance 'must provide that residential outdoor…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Yes, thanks, Heledd. I'm grateful that this question is being raised here now, but also when I was last in front of the committee, I think there was a similar question and it's certainly something that I've gone away to consider further. It's something that…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Yes. We've really considered the work that they do and how they best support our children in learning, and, as you say, this is an important part of that. As I say, within the explanatory memorandum, I've acknowledged the potential cost impact of this on…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Again, I think it's a fair concern that some may have. In terms of the Bill itself, it's something that I absolutely considered, and that's why the Bill itself includes, within the guidance, the provision in respect of school staff costs in respect of…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Thanks, Janet. Yes, absolutely, that's an area that I want to consider further and look to how we include that within the work of this Bill. I mentioned earlier—not that this is a reason not to—that there would have to be further considerations around how…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
I absolutely recognise that there are a number of pressures on teachers at the moment. You're absolutely right to point to large changes within the curriculum in recent times, as well as ALN reforms taking place at the same time, as well as, we know, a…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
I think we're on the same page here, Heledd. I really do. Perhaps I'm just not articulating it very well, and I really apologise if I'm not. In the Bill itself, the guidance is there. So, I'm happy to change it from a 'may' to a 'must', so the Minister 'must'…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Could I come back on that, Chair?
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
And perhaps if I may, Heledd, just make one more point around this. I think having something like this in legislation with that requirement that it's provided in Welsh where available gives a real incentive to the sector and to the centres to really see where…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Thank you, Heledd, for the question. I think it's a fair point to make. I think it's a really interesting challenge for the outdoor residential education sector across Wales, which is being addressed by the work, certainly, by the Outdoor Partnership at the…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
Thanks, James. In terms of a definition, it's certainly something I had referred to when I met with committee last time. As a reminder, it is within the explanatory memorandum. I absolutely acknowledge that it's not on the face of the Bill. It's something I'd…
1 Chwefror 2024 , Children, Young People, and Education Committee
Bil Addysg Awyr Agored Breswyl (Cymru) - sesiwn dystiolaeth 9
I think it's an interesting point, but I certainly wouldn't envisage a headteacher going that far down a journey with a child where that becomes that type of issue. I think our headteachers want what's in the best interests of the children that they are…
