21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Jack.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
And the Scandinavian countries you've pointed to a number of times. Are they all similar in their structures, in terms of the Scandinavian countries? We're talking about Scandinavian countries. We're talking about are Sweden, Norway, Finland—
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Okay, yes.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Did you say Finland? Isn't Finland a Scandinavian—?
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Any other questions at all?
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Which areas, though—which countries are you suggesting that we look at in that regard?
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Sure. I suppose, as we've only got 10 minutes left of this session, it's about drawing some key things that Wales can learn from our delivery of healthcare and other European countries—that's the general question, I suppose. It's about pointing us to…
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
And Jack.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Mabon.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
A new point from you. Okay. I'll bring you in, Scott, then, on this point. Thank you.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
It's a new point. Yes, okay.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
I'll bring you in now, Scott. I'm just looking at Mabon and Jack. Do any of you want to ask a question on this point?
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Yes, I understand.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
I'm looking around for anyone who's got questions. I wanted to ask a question around prevention. The significant part, obviously, of a health system is preventing people from going into the health system in the first place. Are there any examples across…
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
I think you've answered my question—there aren't many examples of significant change in models or systems. Joyce is next, but I just want to perhaps focus discussion, in particular for us as a committee, to have examples from across Europe that we can learn…
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Okay, I understand. Mark, you wanted to come in, sorry.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
So you're telling us, 'Don't make significant changes to a model, but perhaps adapt the model you've got'.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
What was the impact and the outcomes?
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
I've got Joyce waiting to ask a question, but there's an overarching question I just wanted to raise as we have this discussion. Is there any European country that has significantly changed their model—their funding model or their model generally—and what has…
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
That's fine. Mabon, do you want to come in?
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Great. I've just got Sarah, then Mabon waiting. So, Sarah first, and then Joyce.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
Okay. I can see Mark wants to come in. All the time in my mind as well, I've got—. We want good examples of elsewhere in Europe where something might be done better that we can learn from. So, Mark.
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
I suppose I was a bit surprised to hear what you said, because we have lots of evidence about—. We just did a piece of work on dentistry, and dentists telling us there's a lot of bureaucracy and duplication of systems, there are two or three systems…
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
I've got some questions on technology myself. Did you have anything else, Jack?
21 Medi 2023 , Health and Social Care Committee
Modelau Ewropeaidd o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol: sesiwn dystiolaeth gydag academyddion
And just to jump in on an earlier question, you've mentioned northern Spain and a part of Germany, just to understand, is there a degree of devolution in European countries? Perhaps talk to that point as well as addressing Jack's wider point.
