6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Minister, can I ask: do you have availability to stay with us till 11:10, rather than 11 o'clock, and your officials?
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Thank you. Sam Rowlands.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Thank you. We've got more to get through than the time allocated, so I'm just encouraging shorter questions and shorter answers, if that's okay.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
I understand.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Sorry, Minister. Would it be okay if we had that in writing as well?
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
We're a bit short of time, so if there are any other technical questions—
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
That would be helpful.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Because we're short of time, could you put that in writing?
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Okay. Thank you. John Griffiths.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
When I've raised with Cabinet Secretary for health over the past year and said, 'Why didn't you put a cap on agency nursing? We're spending too much on agency nursing. Put a cap on it. We want to see that reduced', the Cabinet Secretary responds, reasonably I…
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
But can't you make it happen without bringing forward the legislation to remove profit?
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
But if you support that and support that to happen, then there's no need to bring forward legislation to remove the profit element.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
No. Minister, why not just support the public sector to deliver effectively? Presumably, they're not delivering effectively now, because that's why the private sector is stepping in. And if they were operating effectively, and they were being supported, the…
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Minister, can I just ask—? Sorry, Mark, did you have a final question?
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
I was hoping you would say that. Thank you. Mark Isherwood. Oh, sorry. Mark Drakeford. Mark Isherwood used to be on the committee a long time ago. Mark Drakeford.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Okay, thank you. We're really short of time, so I just want to get permission from you, Minister—if Members politely interrupt, are you okay with that?
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Thank you.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
And, of course, those stakeholders that you refer to would have given evidence to the inquiry themselves, but the inquiry still made those recommendations. I can't profess to be an expert.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
'Why not?', I suppose.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
I think what I understand, though—and please correct me if I'm wrong, Albert—but I think what you're outlining is there's currently a mandate on organisations, but the inquiry was looking to put a duty on individuals, which is not the case here in Wales. So…
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Yes, that's fine. I do really want to understand—some of my questions, I want to follow those through, so perhaps you could address those points.
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
So, just to check, the inquiry made recommendations and you think that you're already undertaking the measures that the inquiry is recommending?
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
But just to check, are you suggesting that the reason that you're not taking forward the recommendation from the inquiry is because you're already doing these measures? Is that what you're saying?
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
So, I suppose the question is: a recommendation was made to you from the inquiry. Do you believe that you've taken up that recommendation or not?
6 Mehefin 2024 , Health and Social Care Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Gofal Cymdeithasol
Either for the Minister or Albert Heaney to respond to, but I suppose from my perspective, what I want to try and understand is—. This UK-wide inquiry was a substantial inquiry. It was a long, lengthy inquiry. It made a recommendation to you as a Government…
