11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 6
Yes, Roger Thomas has indicated.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 6
Okay. Who'd like to start? Councillor Thomas.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 6
Prynhawn da. Welcome back to the Equality and Social Justice Committee, where we are continuing our inquiry into the governance of fire and rescue services. Our sixth panel is—. We have Councillor Dylan Rees, chair of the North Wales Fire and Rescue…
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Cynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42(vi) i wahardd y cyhoedd o eitemau 4 a 7 y cyfarfod, ac o eitem 1 cyfarfod 18 Mawrth 2024
The committee will be resuming our inquiry at 3 o’clock, when we will indeed be hearing from the chairs and chief officers of at least two of the three—well, all three—the two existing, or were existing, fire authorities and the chairs of these organisations…
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Okay. Thank you very much, Mr Peters. We’ll obviously send you a transcript so that you have the opportunity to correct any anomalies.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Fine. Okay, I have no further questions from any Members, so I’d like to thank you very much indeed for your evidence today, and we look forward to hearing the exact date of the report you referred to. We'll obviously send you a—. Oh, you had a further…
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Thank you very much. Altaf Hussain had a further question.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Okay. So, are these things that you're likely to cover in the report that you plan to publish some time in the summer?
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Okay. What was interesting in our evidence session with the Fire Brigades Union, who are the main union for the operational staff, was that they fessed up that they had resisted such an idea 20 years ago, but that in the last 10 years they've come round to…
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Thank you. I just want to go back to this issue of the three emergency services. Clearly, the police service sits on the jagged edge of the criminal justice system, which is not devolved at the moment, and therefore it looks difficult for either the Senedd or…
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Thanks. Before we move on to our next speaker, I just want to point out to all of us that the Deputy Minister has issued a written statement while we've been meeting announcing independent reviews into mid and west Wales as well as north Wales, just so that…
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Thank you. Ken Skates.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
There is a major audit gap here in the sense that the serious issues that have been exposed by the culture review have not been cited either by yourselves or by the chief fire adviser—we interviewed him earlier—prior to the whistleblower coming forward and…
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
It avoids duplication. Is that right?
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
The well-being of future generations Act, yes?
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Thank you. I'll call in Altaf Hussain, who I know has some further questions on what you actually do in your current regime of inspection. Altaf.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Thank you.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Thank you.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Okay. To summarise, the problem that seems to have happened is that individuals haven't wanted to come forward publicly, and the top level of the organisation has said, 'Well, there's nothing we can do unless we know about these individuals', which displays a…
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Yes. The qualifications for being a critical friend are always a difficult one. Can I bring in Sioned Williams at this point?
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Okay.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Thank you. Jane Dodds wanted to come in. Sorry—go ahead.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Okay. Thank you. I'd now like to call in Sarah Murphy.
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Okay. So, what does that tell us about—? The fact—. You're following the money, but there must have been some performance issues that might have caused concern, for example, around sickness absence, which you'd expect to be manifested from some of the issues…
11 Mawrth 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
Llywodraethiant Gwasanaethau Tân ac Achub: panel 5
Okay. So, you had no insight into any of the really serious issues that occurred until they were aired by ITV by a whistleblower.
