11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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I think we've run out of time, so I think we're going to have to send you the last two questions, and we're very happy if there's anything further you want to add, but we're not going to get the next contributors in before we literally lose the committee…
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Who wants to go first? I think Isabel.
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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[Inaudible.]—because I want Sioned Williams to ask some questions. So, Sioned, please ask what you are able to in the last five minutes.
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Thank you. I now want to hand over—. Could somebody unmute me? I don't think I can be heard. I would now like to hand over to Joel James.
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Very good. I'm now going to hand over to Jane Dodds.
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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What do you think it would take for more public sector employers to understand the value of disabled employees, as opposed to the opposite, which is often the case at the moment?
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Okay. Clearly, it's a major issue if there are no trade unions in a particular business. Just going back to FTWW, you found that third sector employers had been responsive to the needs of disabled people, and, Dee, you mentioned that—obviously, you quite…
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Okay. And did you have a trade union in that employment?
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Very good. Just sticking with disability and employment—I appreciate what you're saying, Dee, but I wonder if I can come back to Angharad. So, I think either Dee or Isabel mentioned that employer attitudes to disability are a key barrier, and there's an…
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Okay. So, clearly, a lot more work needs doing to promote the social model of disability, as so many of the individuals who took part in your survey had never heard of it. Some witnesses we heard from earlier have called for the Welsh Government to explore a…
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Okay. This is very complicated. Just going back to the FTWW survey, how do you think we could enable more people to disclose their disability so that there was an honest and open co-produced conversation about what contribution an individual can make to that…
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Okay. Now, in your particular situation, it would be very difficult for you not to disclose when you'd come to interview because, as you say, you're registered blind and you use a guide dog. So, what action do you think is needed for somebody like you to be…
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Angharad wanted to come in, so I'll come back to you. Angharad.
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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This is a very complicated area, though, isn't it, because if the employer doesn't know about the disability, it's quite difficult for them to understand why their employee isn't able to come to work on a particular day or at a particular time, and there may…
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Okay. Isabel, did you want to add anything, or should I go on to ask a further question?
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Yes, and then I'll go to Isabel.
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Isabel, is there anything you wanted to add?
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Shall we come to Angharad first?
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Dee, do you want to go first?
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Thank you for summarising the situation so clearly. I am now going to hand over to Mick Antoniw, who's going to ask you some questions.
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Thank you for sharing that. Isabel, is there anything you want to add to what's been said?
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Thank you for that.
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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Very good. Okay. Angharad, is this a good moment to bring you in? Thank you.
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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I'm very pleased to welcome our next witnesses, who are Angharad Dean, who has lived experience of being disabled in the workplace, and Dee Montague-Coast and Isabel Linton from Fair Treatment for the Women of Wales. All three of you are very welcome. I'm…
11 Tachwedd 2024 , Equality and Social Justice Committee
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So, five minutes. I wonder if you can all be back before 14:39, please.
