16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
But it has enormous value.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
But the Media Bill will put you on smart tvs as well.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
Well, you're making money out of me. I enjoy the programming that you make and particularly some of the dramas that you make network-wide. I think they're excellent. And Phil's work here in Wales is first class. I want to see more of it, if I'm quite honest…
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
Excellent.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
And it was great to see Tredegar band in the BBC Proms.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
Oh, I know, I know.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
I agree with that.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
No. I agree.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
I agree with that.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
The BBC is a participant as well as a recipient of these debates, and I think it’s important that the BBC—
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
And nobody's come up with an alternative. But there are two things I'd like to ask you on the licence fee. First of all, I would support a considerable uplift in the licence fee to deliver on the public service remit that you have. But I'm also aware that…
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
—and that this is the last round of the licence fee.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
Yes. Can I take us back to the licence fee? I'm a strong supporter of the licence fee. I think for the whole of my life somebody's been making a speech saying it's not sustainable—
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
I don't think any of us have got any issue with any of that. I'm probably one of the few people who does watch BBC Alba every so often, and it's a great service for what it is. I accept the differences between the two countries and I don't think you can be…
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
Okay. But on the proportionality, we're talking about the same ballpark. And I think that's really important, the point that Llyr's raised there, and really fundamental. Because I accept the point that you make—
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
I just want to focus in on answering Llyr's question, because I agree it's important. Is the £72 million versus £36 million a correct figure on English language content?
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
That's Welsh language content, isn't it? We're talking about English language content here.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
But the numbers that Llyr quoted are correct.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
I'd like to push you a little further, if I could, on that, because you're absolutely right. No decision is settled and we can always revisit things, and we can always learn and learn from each other in different ways. I'd be interested if, for example, the…
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
I accept that.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
Which is insufficient in itself.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
Yes, I get that.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
Yes.
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
That's fair. There was a really interesting conversation that took place about five or six years ago with Tony Hall, who I thought was a first-class director general, and we had a really interesting conversation about different routes, if you like. And in…
16 Tachwedd 2023 , Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee
Darlledu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yng Nghymru: sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda’r BBC
Okay, that's fair.